However, I was disturbed by some of the comments on both sides for a few reasons. First, on the side supporting same sex marriage, there seemed to be a dismissal of the words of our prophets, present and past. This is not okay with me. Second, on the side opposing same sex marriage were the apostle-quoting, "my way is the right way" sort. Also not okay with me. So, I commented. And then I realized that what I said was only half of my heart-felt feelings on this subject. Because I know I don't have all the answers, many of my posts and comments, here and elsewhere, are often train of thought. The problem with that is that now my train of thought (that is often derailed) is now out there for everyone to
To get you started, here are the comments I made to my friend, mostly in reaction to some comments by others. Keep in mind that there were others comments posted between these ones, so it may not flow perfectly. Also keep in mind that the conversation was among members of the church and I happened to be the only female who weighed in (Also keep in mind that, though I often feel like the grammar police, I've noticed many grammar issues with these comments. Apparently, my train of thought has the grammar skills of a sub-average high school student hee hee). It was an interesting discussion with lots of doctrinal issues exchanged. But ultimately, this is where my thoughts led me.
#1: thanks for sharing this. it's interesting to read the the comments, too. i will say that i am deeply conflicted about the issue of same sex marriage. on one side, you have people who deserve the right to have their love legally recognized. on the other hand, if that "right" comes with direct consequences for our church, specifically temple ordinances, then i will always have to choose saving ordinances over temporal happiness.
i don't think any member of the church who supports same sex marriage would do so if it has adverse consequences to temple ordinances. however, since we all know that same sex marriages will not be recognizes as eternal in nature (based on the understanding that for eternal progression, an eternal union must be able to procreate), why not allow them to be happy.
i think we have a real problem in the church with quickly dismissing people who don't fit our definition of worthy. thirty years ago, my husband would have been dismissed (and some would still dismiss him today) because he is black. there were many members who said that blacks would never hold the priesthood or receive temple ordinances (elder mcconkie among them). thankfully, they were wrong and i have a wonderful, righteous husband who serves his church and family faithfully. there are those who would argue that being black and being gay are very different. they would say one isn't a choice and one is. i don't know whether it's a choice or not, but that's not my place to decide. we don't choose our trials, but only the manner with which we address, overcome, and trust in the Lord to carry us through them.
my point is that when we are quick to point out what we deem as "wrong", it usually comes back to bite us. i am glad i don't have to be the judge of mens' hearts. i hope and pray that there is a way for everyone to have some joy and happiness in this life and that it doesn't come at the cost of temple ordinances.
#2: the only reason i brought in the 1978 decision is simply to illustrate how finite our thinking is and our inability to see how the Lord might direct us. Even the leaders, who i believe are inspired, often do not know the full picture. in the end, all things will work out in the eternal scheme. i understand the wide gap between the definition of the family and the rights of the priesthood given to every worthy male. thankfully, we know who is really directing the work on both sides and we have to trust that His judgement and council is sound. that said, i sincerely hope that we can be more compassionate towards the trials of others, as we hope they are towards our trials. gospel knowledge aside, everyone deserves to at least feel that they're heard and valued.
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So, where do you stand? There will be NO judging and berating others' comments. Just share.
i think in my effort to be "nice", some things got lost. like jay and danny, i don't believe we should hide our faith "under a bushel". i believe we should stand up for our church, its leaders, and the gospel we hold sacred. i do not expect or want the church to change its position on same sex marriage. i believe in our living prophet with all my heart and am willing to honor the covenants i have made. i just wish that people would simply be a little more compassionate.
i am often disturbed by members who hide behind their "beliefs" as an excuse to dismiss someone who doesn't fit the mold. they dismiss people of other faiths, people who believe different than they do, people who look or act different, or people who've made decision they don't agree with. we've all done it and will probably continue to do it, but using the gospel as a reason to exclude is not something Christ would do. in the current political climate, it is fascinating to see other christians attempt (yet again) to marginalize the church by finding reasons we're "different". my only hope is looking for things i have in common with anyone and everyone around me. i will not apologize for my faith or the beliefs that are not popular. but i do think our role as members of the church is to help people understand our beliefs through compassion and commonalities, rather than condemn their actions because they don't fit with the gospel as we know it. we will never be able to be instruments for missionary work if we ostracize people at every turn. our job is to believe the doctrine, live the doctrine, and share the doctrine. it is not to judge or assume an attitude of "our way or the highway".
i am ever grateful for the saving work of the gospel and especially the gift of the plan of salvation. i recognize that we all have need of the atonement, whether members or not, and my only goal in life is to help my family and anyone who is willing to listen receive the blessings of the gospel. but they won't listen unless they know they're loved, even if we don't agree with their choices.i am often disturbed by members who hide behind their "beliefs" as an excuse to dismiss someone who doesn't fit the mold. they dismiss people of other faiths, people who believe different than they do, people who look or act different, or people who've made decision they don't agree with. we've all done it and will probably continue to do it, but using the gospel as a reason to exclude is not something Christ would do. in the current political climate, it is fascinating to see other christians attempt (yet again) to marginalize the church by finding reasons we're "different". my only hope is looking for things i have in common with anyone and everyone around me. i will not apologize for my faith or the beliefs that are not popular. but i do think our role as members of the church is to help people understand our beliefs through compassion and commonalities, rather than condemn their actions because they don't fit with the gospel as we know it. we will never be able to be instruments for missionary work if we ostracize people at every turn. our job is to believe the doctrine, live the doctrine, and share the doctrine. it is not to judge or assume an attitude of "our way or the highway".
So, where do you stand? There will be NO judging and berating others' comments. Just share.